CTA ATTENTION ALL FEDIVERSE ADMINS: 

On July 4th Gab is coming on to the Fediverse by switching over to Mastodon on their servers.

This means that you can shut the door on them today by preemptively have them fully suspended from your instances. So your users do not have risk getting harassed by any of their users, and they from the start be blocked off from major portions of the Fediverse.

Thank you for your consideration and :boost_ok:

CTA ATTENTION ALL FEDIVERSE ADMINS: 

@maloki unless Eugen has a big change of heart recently, suspending instances doesn’t keep them from seeing you or getting your data.

It doesn’t stop them from responding to, boosting, or faving your toots. It just makes it so you don’t see any of it.

CTA ATTENTION ALL FEDIVERSE ADMINS: 

@SelfsameSynonym @maloki and it would work the same in any other federated system without authentication basically

CTA ATTENTION ALL FEDIVERSE ADMINS: 

@charlag @maloki I’m sorry, I was yawning. What irrelevant excuse were you making for Eugen’s terrible design?

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CTA ATTENTION ALL FEDIVERSE ADMINS: 

@SelfsameSynonym @maloki it's not an excuse. It's just what is public is public for everyone. Another possibility is share with specific groups. Tell me how I'm wrong please.

CTA ATTENTION ALL FEDIVERSE ADMINS: 

@charlag You're not wrong, and I don't think we should engage with infighting, we are on the same side here.
Let's focus on what we can do, and see where that'll lead us
@SelfsameSynonym

instance suspensions 

@charlag @maloki If I block you, you can’t see my public toots. That’s not how it works at the instance level. Here’s how that works:
-Admin A on server A sees that Nazis set up server B.
-Admin A suspends server B
-Server A deletes all data from B in its database, doesn’t write new data
-Server B still connects directly to server A, delivers A’s data directly to Nazis on B
-Nazis on B can @ and interact with statuses on A

I’m fucking sick of “you can’t do anything about it because it’s P U B L I C and F E D E R A T E D” when it would be trivially easy for instance suspension to reduce the access a suspended instance has by simply rejecting direct requests from the suspended instance.

If it worked that way and enough instances suspended the Nazi instance, they’d be actually cut off from the greater fediverse the same way herd immunity keeps a disease from infecting people who aren’t vaccinated.

Instead, the Nazis can directly connect to the instances that have suspended them and see and interact with the users. Those users won’t see that Nazis are stalking and organizing against them because their instances won’t deliver the notifications (most of the time).

It’s a trash design that doesn’t provide any safety at all and I have no confidence that anyone with the ability and resources to fix it is the slightest bit interested in doing so.

instance suspensions 

@SelfsameSynonym you're not wrong about this, and I'm trying to start some constructive conversations about this over with Florence.

@charlag

instance suspensions 

@SelfsameSynonym @maloki well, I understand how it works, thanks. Would it be better if Nazi instance saw that they're blocked and fetched statuses some other way?
Maybe it could be harder for, I can't tell for sure but it complicates a lot of things, kills relaying of statuses and you can still open that instance and read everything?

instance suspensions 

@charlag From all anti-abuse reports and stuff I've read, making it harder for them is actually _beneficial_ to countering a lot of the shit they do.

Out of sight out of mind kinda deal.
@SelfsameSynonym

instance suspensions 

@charlag From all anti-abuse reports and stuff I've read, making it harder for them is actually _beneficial_ to countering a lot of the shit they do.

Out of sight out of mind kinda deal.
@SelfsameSynonym

instance suspensions 

@charlag @SelfsameSynonym @maloki Its gab were talking about, if they could code and work around such issues they wouldnt have given up on their own site. It probably wont take much to stop them from interacting with people. Like you did with blocking them from using your app, which is good.

We can probably do similar things with mastodon itself or at least throw up more roadblocks for them to trip over.

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