Ffs, if you're still searching through Google - please don't. There are DuckDuckGo, Ecosia, Startpage, SearX and in almost all cases it's enough. If you really can't find something, switching to Google search is one "!g" away in DuckDuckGo.
@charlag Why, though?
@dpwiz they exercise their power do shape the internet the way they want.
Forcing website owners to have Google Analytics to rank well in search? Done.
Forcing publishers to use AMP to appear in search? Done.
Using their huge advertising machine to promote The browser which ignores standards ad it pleases? Done.
Huge surveillance machine? Done.
Developing military drones? Done.
@charlag Do you imply that switching to alternative search pages is a most effective policy to prevent them from developing military drones?
But that's different. We need to tell people to not use google: to protect themselves from surveillance and to not feed the beast.
Power of Google comes from scale. We need to continue developing and offering privacy conscious alternatives otherwise people will shrug and "well there's no other email, is there?". And they might just not know about it.
I'm certain that my privacy interests are aligned with Google needs for exclusivity on the raw data. The incentives are laid out in such way that it doesn't make sense for them to "sell their users".
I believe by strangling Google we'd do ourselves a disservice and simply inviting Chinese giants to steward the world in the direction of their chosing. And you'll get even less privacy and more imposed "standards", simply by having a different culture.
@charlag @clacke Yeah. As much as I hate the alienating "us versus them" rhetoric those are the stated goals and a race to AI is on. Whoever decides to stay behind would become an insignificant backwater.
When doing the "us vs Google" thing, you're going to alienate engineers who still have influence on inside. They *did* force the abandoning of military contracts. They at least care about strategic safety, unlike others, who need to half-ass everything to get to speed.
Unlike other big tech Google is, allegedly, is an AI-first company. The others are, mostly, "money-first" (or "privacy-first", for that matter). Chinese look "money-first" too, but The Party is very technocratic and very interested in governance efficiency AI-based solutions bring. And they go "look, have all the money you want, but we require you to R&D the hell out of AI and close the technology gap whatever it takes".
@charlag Just like Nike went out of business when people stopped buying their shoes in protest of sweatshop labor. Oh wait.
@akf Yandex is absolutely the same survelliance machine as Google, just on a smaller scale (and they don't hesitate to work with FSB).
I don't trust too much looking at the Ghostery: "we'll replace unethical tracking with a little bit more ethical one!"
I don't know much about metager
@charlag Yandex: okay, they store data. But there are people who care less about the Russians than about being spied upon by Americans. Depends upon who you are and where you live.
@akf why choose being spied by others rather than not being spied by?
@charlag Who knows who is really trustworthy. They can tell you anything. DuckDuckGo is from USA. So AFAIK they are required by law to cooperate with their agencies on request, and may not talk about it (NSL).
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